Episode: 348
You Have No Idea What You’re Capable of Until You Hear This
with Wallace Peeples, also known as Wallo267
If you’ve ever felt stuck, unmotivated, or like it’s too late to reach your potential, you need to hear this conversation.
Today’s episode is a wake-up call. You can break free of regret, shame, and fear. You can become the person you know you’re meant to be.
It’s not too late to change. And this conversation will show you how.
Today, you’re going to meet one of the most inspiring and motivational human beings on the planet, viral powerhouse Wallace Peeples, also known as Wallo267.
Wallo spent 25 years in prison and came out with nothing but $1,000, a used iPhone, and a mission to change his life.
Now, he reaches millions every week with a message that reminds you that you are capable of so much more.
Whether you’re rebuilding after a setback, struggling to believe change is possible, or finally ready to stop making excuses and start moving, this conversation will light a fire under you.
Listen on:
Nobody’s coming to save you. That’s the bad news. The good news? You don’t need them to.
Wallo
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Transcript
Wallo (00:00:00):
In 1998, me and my step pop were cellmates and in 2005, me and my brother were cellmates in the same prison, generational incarceration. So now I'm like, hold up, don't nobody got no independent thought no more. So I'm like, oh, there's more people out there in prison. It, it's going to be easy out there. It's more people incarcerated than it is incarcerated because everybody out there walking around with, they're walking around with a cell around their brain.
Mel Robbins (00:00:24):
And how would you describe that to somebody who doesn't realize that they're in a cell in their brain?
Wallo (00:00:29):
They're afraid. The reason I say they're in a cell because they afraid to go out there and do what they want to do. I wasn't enraged, I was hurt. And the reason that I was hurt because the truth hurt. I just looked in the mirror and I said, damn, you ain't here doing all this time for being somebody you not. I'm going to get out one day and tomorrow's going to be better than yesterday. I'm going to make the best of this.
Mel Robbins (00:00:54):
Talk to me about forgiveness. How did you forgive the person who killed your brother?
Wallo (00:01:00):
For me personally, forgiveness helped me breathe.
Mel Robbins (00:01:04):
Did you ever tell the person that killed your brother that you forgive him?
Wallo (00:01:07):
No. He out there he know.
Mel Robbins (00:01:09):
Do you want to tell him,
Wallo (00:01:10):
Look, I forgive you, man.
Mel Robbins (00:01:23):
I got to tell you something. When Wallo starts going, you better keep your hand on the recording dial because holy cow, it's like part sermon, part halftime, coach, your team is down, the coach is mad, he's yelling at you and he's telling you the truth. And this is the truth you need to hear because the fact is you are the one in your own way. And so I don't want to be hearing from you Y case because this is a conversation for adults and sometimes adults need to hear words that are a little harsh because that's what it's going to take for you to wake up. Alright? I've warned you, and here's another warning. Don't even bother listening to this. If you don't want to hear the truth, don't listen to this. If you're not interested in motivation, you still here? Good. So am I. Let's go.
Mel Robbins (00:02:06):
So without further ado, please help me welcome the remarkable wallow to the Mel Robbins podcast.
Wallo (00:02:12):
Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. I'm happy to be here.
Mel Robbins (00:02:16):
Thank you for jumping on a plane. I have been a huge fan of yours for a long time. I am so excited to be in the room with you. I'm excited for the person who has made the time to be here with us to be able to be inspired by and learn from you. And I can't wait to dig into your story, but I wanted to start by asking you this. If you think about everything that you're about to share from your life story, from your experience, from the impact that you're making with millions of people, what do you think is going to change about my life if I take everything to heart and I apply it to the way that I live my life moving forward, what's going to change?
Wallo (00:02:58):
You going to stop caring about things that don't matter and you're going to stop making problems for yourself. That's the most important thing. Stop making problems for yourself. Nobody make problems for us. We make problems for itself. If you don't like me or if I'm talking to the viewer, if somebody don't like you, that's none of your business. Number one. Number two, what they say about you, that's none of your business. That's their business. They own them thoughts. They own everything that they say. They got ownership of that. But what we do is we make problems when we get into their business. You minding their business now. Oh, I don't like Mel. Mel is not this Mel fake. She don't really help nobody. Mel, why you worrying about their business? Mel, mind your business. That's not yours that belong to them. The thoughts belong to them. Stop giving power to other people. Words, ideas, thoughts, feelings. Why do they like a lot of times, Mel, a lot of people don't dislike you. They don't even hate you. Some people just want to hug you and they don't know how to get your attention. So that's what it really be about. And some people just like, dang, Mel got it going on. How can I get close to mail? I dml a thousand times. Mel, don't even answer her dm. She ain't got time for that. She running. But that's the reality of it. But I think if you got to really be able to cut on that, fuck it button.
Mel Robbins (00:04:13):
The fuck it bucket
Wallo (00:04:13):
The fucking button, the fuck it button. We fuck it. Fuck what they think. As long as you living in that world of you're not going to live. Listen, I look at this like this. You guess what if nobody told you you're going to die, but guess what? Caskets don't have no bunk beds. It's going to be you by yourself. Why are you worrying about everybody else?
Mel Robbins (00:04:36):
Wait, did you just say caskets don't have bunk beds?
Wallo (00:04:40):
Yeah, they ain't got no bunk beds. Ain't no bunk beds in caskets. What? You worried You got to go by yourself When it's time to leave this place, you going to be and the music is playing instead. This is going to be you. It's not about nobody else. We got to get out of here. Mel, do you know? Do you know one day they're going to be reading your book? They're going to be reading my book and they going to be like, yo, they're going to be looking at old videos of us. We going to be well off and gone. That's why. Why you here? And I tell people the moves I make is secure the futures of the family members I won't be living to meet. The moves I make will secure the futures of the family members. I won't be living to meet. That's all I'm here for. I'm just here to work for some people that I'm never going to meet you too. You too. You're just here to strengthen your last name up. So it's like listen, we got to go Mel. We going Listen, we going to the party. Mel, you see that party that be going into the graveyard, we going to be there.
Mel Robbins (00:05:30):
Well, lemme ask you a question. Why are you motivated by making a better future for the relatives you haven't even met yet?
Wallo (00:05:37):
Because that's our job.
Mel Robbins (00:05:39):
Why is it your job?
Wallo (00:05:40):
Because everybody listen. The reality is everybody's just not going to be male and while are they not everybody in our bloodline is not going to be like us. Some people just going to want to just get up every day and just get a regular job. It's not everybody's job to push, encourage, want more for other people. That's just not it. So why if we here, why not take on the responsibility to say, you know what, there's going to be some people that I'm not going to meet that's going to have my bloodline that I want to look out for.
Mel Robbins (00:06:07):
Are you motivated by that because your family didn't look out for you?
Wallo (00:06:11):
No, I wasn't about that. My family always looked out for me even when they couldn't look out for me. See, back in the day, we didn't have nothing, but we had everything because we had each other. That was the community that I come from. My thing is like this, man, you got to understand this. You got money Mel.
Mel Robbins (00:06:25):
I do now.
Wallo (00:06:27):
You can't spend it all. Somebody going take that money when you get up out of here, somebody going to run through some money of yours. They going to run through it so quick. They're going to do so many things to that money. So it's like why not do things to help people when you are out of here?
Mel Robbins (00:06:42):
That's true
Wallo (00:06:43):
Because you can't take it all with you.
Mel Robbins (00:06:44):
No, I've never seen a hearse pull on a U-Haul.
Wallo (00:06:47):
No, no. I never seen a bank teller in the graveyard either. You don't see no bank tellers in the graveyard. I never seen Chase out of every funeral I went to. I never seen Chase in the graveyard. I never seen PNC. I never seen Bank of America, Wells Fargo, none of that shit's there. So it's like only thing you see is the dash. The most important part of the graveyard is the dash is on tombstone and you trying to figure out what did they do? What was a part of that?
Mel Robbins (00:07:12):
What do you want on your tombstone?
Wallo (00:07:15):
Listen, my tombstone, I don't want didn't speakers on there. I want the music to be playing because I'm going to be dancing. I left it all up here. I'm not going to be crying. I'm not going to be complaining in the every time I go to graveyard you be hearing people, a lot of people, some side you see they be music playing, they happy, some side they be crying. They ain't do what they wanted to do and they left it up here.
Mel Robbins (00:07:34):
So true. So true.
Mel Robbins (00:07:36):
You're 46.
Wallo (00:07:37):
Yeah, I'm 46.
Mel Robbins (00:07:38):
So I read that you spent more than half of those 46 years either in juvie or in prison.
Wallo (00:07:45):
Yeah.
Mel Robbins (00:07:46):
Tell me a little bit about that. What happened?
Wallo (00:07:48):
So what happened is grew up great family, rest in peace to my brother Steve, my mom Jackie, extraordinary woman. That's where I got a lot of my crazy stuff from my grandma loving strong woman, the strongest person I know. My brother Jile, I grew up my pop, Wallace Roundtree, my step pop hip. I had some great people around me growing up. Great family, different sides. My grandma Ora rest in peace. Grew up in the streets of Philadelphia, inner cities of America. I wanted to be down and because when I grew up and where I grew up at in the ghetto, the only person that got the most attention was the person that was stealing the American dream, the drug dealer or the criminal. Because he had the fancy cars, he had the jewelry. He dealt with the most beautifulest woman in the neighborhood. So it's like the movie. So as me sitting on the step as a kid, when I see the car pull up the nice music blasting out the Mercedes-Benz, the jewelry, and he's been to jury and I'm sitting there melon, I'm like, hold up. You mean to tell me. I noticed Ms. Johnson, Ms. Brown and Ms. Green, the older ladies, they spoke that guy getting out of business, they didn't speak to Mr. Carl walking down the street, that's a plumber. I said, I got to go out there and steal the American dream. That's the only people. America only respect the successful criminals. They love him. Why so many movies made about him? So I'm sitting there, I'm like, yo, I got to be down. I was smart enough to know right from wrong.
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My grandma, she taught me a lot. But I got into the crime life because I wanted things that I wasn't willing to work for. I'm a kid. June 30th, 1990, I get arrested for armed robbery Philadelphia and I'll never forget when Nanny came and shout out to Nanny. She's 91 now. She's like 91. But she moved around like she 31. She sent my uncle Tommy to come get me the next week. I got locked up again for, I kept getting locked up. So I wound up spending five years in juvenile. June 30th, 1990. I was 11 for like seven days, something like that. I wound up, kept going back. They sentenced me that year to a year and I wound up spending five years in juvenile, in and out. So by the time I turned 17, I got locked up for two armed robberies, two firearm violations, got sentenced to a total of 19 and a half to 52 years in prison. They certified me as an adult. They said, no, you're not a kid no more. You're good with crime. You know how to do crime.
Mel Robbins (00:10:12):
How mad were your grandmothers and your mom at you because you just kept getting in trouble.
Wallo (00:10:17):
They was mad at me.
Mel Robbins (00:10:17):
I can, I just feel their energy right now. But they were just like, come on.
Wallo (00:10:21):
They was mad and my grandma used to always say, you going to get it. You going to realize one day because you know what's crazy. Your grandma older you saying to yourself, she don't know what's going on out here, but she do.
Mel Robbins (00:10:31):
Of course she does.
Wallo (00:10:31):
She always tell me, you don't understand baby. Why you the only one that always go to jail? You always go to jail. And I remember one of my homeboys, his mom was saying, y'all, y'all can't do wrong. Wrong. Y'all need to start doing. Right, right. It didn't hit me until later on in life when I was sitting in prison during time.
Mel Robbins (00:10:53):
What does that mean?
Wallo (00:10:54):
What you mean?
Mel Robbins (00:10:55):
You're all doing wrong. Wrong. You got to start doing right, right.
Wallo (00:10:57):
Basically y'all don't know how to be criminals.
Mel Robbins (00:11:00):
Hell, because you keep getting arrested.
Wallo (00:11:01):
Yeah, y'all can't do wrong. Wrong. I mean y'all can't do wrong. Right? You might as well do. Right, right. Basically. So it was like y'all can't even do wrong. Don't even know how to do wrong. I mean it was like y'all really not good criminals. You always get caught. Most criminals do. So we really not that good. It was like you don't think about that but you being you wasn't cool. See what's the name had a song out back in the day, but we heard it. We might've danced to it, but it wasn't that cool. It was a nice song. You probably hear it on the tv, you probably hear it on the radio here. We Newton in the news had a song, it's hip to B square. But you don't think about that. You're not thinking about that. It's being outweighed by all the other music that you're hearing when revenge of the nerves come out, you don't even understand about today. You don't know technology going to come. So everything was based on being cool, dangerous. Mel, let's be honest, Mel, you was in school. Y'all didn't want the nerds. Y'all wanted the cool guys. Of course y'all wanted the jocks. Y'all wanted the guy to come with his caliber. Y'all wanted the fines. You didn't want that. Nobody want that. Nobody want the good guy. Everybody loved the bad guy. They loved Scarface. They love Al Pacino. You got to think about that. America loved the successful criminal. They love the bad guy. So think about it. When you talk about institutions, when you talk about juvenile facilities, juvenile facilities, prisons is a business and I need to ask you out there to everybody that understand about businesses, what business do you know that don't want their customers to come back?
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What businesses do you know that don't want reoccurring customers? So if I change it up, you're never going to be my customer no more. So how do I make money? How so? Now the counselors is out. The Sykes that work at the place is out. Probation officers is out. Just imagine that we fixed this system and everything is fixed. No parole officers, no probation officers. We don't need a court close. We don't need the sonographers in the court. We don't need a lot of judges. We don't need a district attorney. We don't need a lot of these people. So I didn't understand until later on. So then when I get sentenced and it's time for me to go to prison, I was scared to death.
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I was scared to death. I get sentenced. I get up to the big house. It's a big walls called Greatest Foot Prison. They open that gate, the gate closed behind us. I'm shackled up. I got shackles running from a belt around my waist. The shackles right here, I'm cuffed and it's going to my feet to the chains on my feet. The main thing that I'm thinking about when I go to prison, I'm looking at the TV and you should see all this stuff, but you never think it's going be you. No body think is going to be their turn to going to prison when they're part of the life of crime. Everybody think they smarter than the system. So it was just crazy for me. They give us our box, we get our stuff. We had to walk up and we had to go through the general population where the big yard was at to get to the hole and death rowing where they had you locked in because we was juveniles.
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As we walked through that hallway, I seen some of the biggest muscular human beings I ever seen in my life. I couldn't believe it. They coming out of the yard, his shirt's off. I'm like, I can please don't put me in the cell with him. I don't know. I'm like, I'm just like please. But they wound up taking the cell hole and the other younger guy that was with me, I'll never forget as I covered my head with the pillow in that cell because we shit the cell because we was both minors. I heard him cry as I was crying at night and wishing I was home and wishing I had another chance and it just was different. But that started my role in my journey being in prison and it got real. After that, it continued to get real. But what happened was, and I was in the cell, it was hot, summertime, no air conditioning, none of that, and I got up to splash my face.
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But when I got the splash, my face, it was like the devil was dancing in the cell. It was so hot in there. Walls were sweating and I just looked in the mirror and I said, damn, you ain't here doing all this time for being somebody you not The power, the power of wanting to be down with a bunch of people that really don't care about you can destroy your life. It can mesh your life up. Even if it's not about crime. It could be about I just want to be down with these people in college because they supposed to be the ink crowd or I just want to be down with these people. They do business or I just want to be down. It could mess you up because what it do is it remove you from you and now you got to be somebody else to be accepted by some other human beings that breathe like you got 24 hours like you that drank the same water you drink, you shitting me. So once I realized that, it was crazy.
Mel Robbins (00:16:06):
I want to go back to that moment where you're looking in the mirror and you're reflecting on the fact that you're doing all this time in prison for being someone you're not. I'd love to have you talk to the person that's having this epiphany as they're listening to you and they're thinking, well, I am where I am because I've been being someone i'm not.
Wallo (00:16:35):
You. I'm talking to you right there. You. You ain't tired yet you out there being somebody that you're not and guess what? You just keep losing. You don't feel right. You know are not where you want to be because you don't feel right, but you choose to take this path. You wanted to be accepted by a bunch of people that don't even accept theyself because if they accepted theyself, they wouldn't put pressure on you to be with them. Why do they need you to be around? Why do they need you to change who you are? Think about it, but think about this journey you're going on and say to yourself, hold up. This might not be for me. This might not be my ideas. This might not really be what I want to do, but the crowd is telling me I should do this. The crowd is telling me this is what's cool. The crowd is telling me this is what accepted. When you going to say fuck the crowd and start accepting you, when you going to cut the fuck it button on and say fuck what they think. Huh? What you scared for? What you waiting for? You think time is on your side. Time is not on your side. The only thing you got on your side is the decision to let go of everything that's not supportive to you. Everything that's forcing you to change who you are in order to be a part of this idea of what's right and what's wrong, man, come on. It's bullshit. Let go get free, be you love you respect yourself enough to choose you. Say yes to you and no to them. Oh yeah. That's the new book coming out too. A new book.
Mel Robbins (00:18:15):
And buy it while you're at it.
Wallo (00:18:16):
Yes, buy it. Yeah.
Mel Robbins (00:18:18):
One of the things that I love about you is that your story proves that all of the excuses you have, I don't have this, I don't have that. I mean you're in a freaking prison cell for God's sakes. You still have years on your sentence and you made a decision that you were going to be you and you had this incredible way that you thought about being in jail after that moment. Can you explain that breakthrough to us?
Wallo (00:18:49):
I used to tell people I'm not in jail, I'm in Yale, I'm not in prison. I'm in Princeton. I'm not in the state pen. I'm in Penn State. Right.
Mel Robbins (00:19:00):
What does that mean?
Wallo (00:19:01):
That mean that I'm not just sitting around in here, I'm in here to educate myself. It is not their job to educate me is their job to house me. And at this time was so crazy about it, my mind was clicking so much because in the state prisons of Pennsylvania, you could buy a TV off commissary. Whereas though you get some certain TV channels, cable channels, whatever you pay for it. My cellies cell mates, they used to always say, why do you always turn the tv? Because I'm turning the TV all the time.
Mel Robbins (00:19:33):
You mean flipping channels?
Wallo (00:19:34):
Yeah.
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Okay. He used to be like, so come on. I was addicted to commercials. I was addicted to advertising and marketing. I always say, hold up, man. Big Mac never looked like that when I went at McDonald's. It's be sloppy. Don't be like that. So ain't right. Then I realized, oh, they outsourced that to advertising agencies. I started learning about marketing. Damn, why is when they got the card commercial, they got a black person doing it. Latino person doing the Asian person based off the channel. Oh, what is marketing? Oh, I ran into a book called Damn Good Advice by George Lois. Oh, I'm reading all these illa market. I'm going to start learning about marketing. I start learning about advertisement. I'm learning about, oh, they paying all this money for that. So now I'm thinking more. I'm thinking, I'm just looking at that. I'm looking at that. And then one day as I'm changing the channel, I come across this guy, one of my mentors, right? When I come across this skinny guy, man, skinny white guy, right? And I'm like, what's going on? I look, he here, the next he here, he just always eating food. His name was Anthony Bourdain, my mentor. So when I see him I'm like, hold up. Anthony Bourdain taught me in the cell that the world is your playground. Go play. He taught me that the world is bigger than your neighborhood. He taught me that wallo, they're waiting for you. Go out there and connect with your people. It's people, places and things that's waiting for your arrival with a sign on it. When I seen Anthony Bourdain, parts unknown, no reservations, the layover. I was like, this guy used to get high. He got his life together. He was a cook in New York City. He a New York Times bestseller. He didn't let hard times beat him up and his name Anthony Bourdain. I watched every show religiously. I never stopped watching him because Anthony Bourdain, he gave me a passport while I was sitting in the cell. He used to talk to me through the TV show and I was like, damn. Because this is what happened. When you come from where I come from, if you're not willing to be exposed to other cultures and other ideas, sometimes you'll miss out on a mentor like Anthony Bourdain based upon his color of a Skinner. The difference. We worked so hard to find so many differences in ourself when it's so easy to find something, something that connect us, he connected us. He was a teacher and he was able to say he connected with me because it was like I didn't know that I was looking for him and I found him in life. The greatest moments is going to happen when you're not prepared for them, when you're not looking for him. And an came through, I used to call him an came through and he'd just like smoking a cigarette, drinking the hot tea, eating the craziest stuff. It was like, wow, look, go out there and live. It's waiting for you. He was waiting for me. I ain't give up. I could have overdose. I ain't give up in New York City. I didn't give up and ain't give up. I ain't give up.
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And what he did, he showed me that I'm going to get out and I'm going to create what Anthony Bourdain created, but I'm going to show people that's where I'm from. So as I'm looking at Anthony, I'm reading books stuff on George Lewis, I'm reading all this type of stuff and I'm in there in this university mode. And that was the whole thing. I'm not in prison, I'm in Princeton. I felt as though like, because I felt as though the information that I could learn here, I could go out there and make as money, make as much as money as somebody's in Ivy League right now. But the only thing different I had to pay with my life. I ain't going to owe them no back money.
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I ain't going to owe 'em no loans. I ain't going to have to repay that. I just got to get out here and perform. I got to get out here and do my thing. See, you only get paid for your performance in this life performance is when you get up every day and you put your energy into something, you only get paid for your performance. So if you got a nine to five, you're getting paid for your performance. If you got a business, you're getting paid for what you put into there. You got to perform. And the more you perform, the better you get. If you are athlete, you go out there and you score more and more points, you going to get bigger, bigger deal. So it's about you only get paid for your performance in life. Nobody's coming to save you, nobody's waiting for you. Nobody ain't shit falling out the sky for you based off of, oh I know you, you my friend. Oh we went to the same college. Oh we from the same neighborhood. Nobody give a fuck about that. Everybody trying to win. So perform and win. And if you don't do that, you're done.
Mel Robbins (00:24:24):
You have also said that people, there are more people mentally incarcerated in the free world than in prison. Talk to me about that because I love this university mode and people use all kinds of fricking excuses to not improve themselves, to not educate themselves, to not learn new skills, to not seek out other mentors. And I think you're right that there's more people incarcerated mentally in the free world than in prison. But what does that mean to you and how do you get yourself into university mode?
Wallo (00:24:55):
Because you know what's happened?
Mel Robbins (00:24:57):
Tell me.
Wallo (00:24:57):
When people used to come to prison, they fresh off the streets. I used to interrogate 'em. I used to interrogate 'em about what life is on the streets in the free world because I never wanted to be the person that was stuck. A lot of people when your family member go to prison, they're stuck in a time that they was incarcerated. So I didn't want to be stuck there. So in order for me not to be stuck there, everybody that would come to prison, I will interrogate him sometime I would had a CO on the block, the ones that was alright, I had him keep my cell as a transit cell. So somebody come and then you not be in there for long for a week or two. Then I get somebody else. I used to love to stay up and just ask people questions about the free world.
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So this kid told me about Google in the yard. So we walk in the yard. He said he has this thing called Google man, I could find anything about anybody. I said, yeah, that's decent. He said, I could find stuff out about you. I looked at him, I said, man, you think I'm stupid? I've been in jail but I'm not dumb. I ain't even want to planet earth no more. How you going to find I'm in here? Nobody know nothing about me. So I typed my name in here, Wildes people. I'm like all this stuff popped up. I dropped the phone. I'm like, damn, the feds on me, the CI 80, they watching me. I didn't know what was going on. I never seen nothing like this. I've been in prison all this time, this 2013, 12, something like that, I don't even know. So I'm like, once I got there, I set up the social media and that's where the 267 come from. Wallo267. 267 was my prison number, DG 267. And when I go to set up the Instagram, somebody had wallo. So I had to add the 267. Even though that's the Philly zip code, but it also was my number. I mean it is Philly area code, but whatever the case may be. When I went on social media and I start seeing people in life, I'm like, hold up. Everybody was locked into an idea what they think they should be based off of somebody else. And I just seen different cities. I just seen a bunch of people doing the same thing and I'm like, it wasn't like that when I was growing up. Mel, if you going to school in Boston, you ain't know what they was doing in Duke. If you went to Boston College, you ain't know what they was doing in Duke. You ain't know because we didn't have no social media to connect it. So now we living in a world where everybody emulating everybody, everybody got the same hairstyle, they wearing the same clothes, nobody. You got to think about it. Some of these big people, they would've never got this stuff or they would've never had this influence back in the day. Because if you ain't get on Oprah, Oprah or MTV, nobody knew about you.
Mel Robbins (00:27:22):
Correct.
Wallo (00:27:23):
So now I'm like, hold up. Nobody got no independent thought no more. So I'm like, oh, there's more people out there in prison. It's going to be easy out there. It's more people incarcerated than it is incarcerated because everybody out there walking around with they walking around with a cell around they brain.
Mel Robbins (00:27:38):
And how would you describe that to somebody who doesn't realize that they're in a cell in their brain
Wallo (00:27:43):
Because they're afraid. The reason I say they're in a cell because they're afraid to go out there and do what they want to do.
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So even in a cell based off you are in a cell based off of worrying about people opinions, worrying about how people think of you. So now you can't move. You can't move. You're in a cell when you just, I'm just going to follow what they doing. I don't want to have my own thoughts. I'm a part of this group that I don't even know why I'm a part of this group, but I think it's okay to be a part of this group and I might only be a part of this group because where I was raised, who my parents are, the influence they gave me. I don't even know why I'm here. It's true. You know how many people that's like, hold up, I'm a part of this. I'm a part of this. And they will argue with you about why you're so wrong about being a part of something and you like, I don't even can't tell me why you're a part of what you arguing with somebody else and telling them that they're wrong and they ain't part of this over there. Think about that. People is just a part of something basically because somebody told 'em to be a part of something or just because their mom was a part of something, their dad was a part of something or people in their community was a part of something. They don't even know why.
Mel Robbins (00:28:48):
It's true.
Mel Robbins (00:28:49):
And then people get to a point in their life and exactly what you said happens. You start to say, I don't really like my life. I don't like how I feel. Why am I doing this? Why am an accountant? How did I end up in jail? Why did I marry this person?
Wallo (00:29:02):
This is the issue. And I realized this is what happened. We don't value the most important thing in every human being life. We use it for the wrong things. We use it for manity. We use it for the most important thing in your life will always tell you the truth. Even if you duck, it will always be real for you, will always show you who you truly are is the mirror. Not your friend. Not somebody. She, the mirror would never lie to you. When you look in that mirror, you see who you is when nobody else is around, when nobody else is looking. When you get up out the bed and you're hair not done, you not got that shave, your breath's stinking or whatever it is, and you go and you go to splash water on your face even before that, you go to use the bathroom and you walk by that mirror and you see yourself. You got all the answers there. You just keep running away from it. You are scared to be you. You're scared to be the raw truth is there in that mirror. That's the raw truth. But you use it for vanity. And you know what's crazy about the mirror? A lot of times when you go to the mirror, a lot of y'all will be getting pimped by people. Future perceptions of you.
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Will he be getting pimped? Because when you go to the mirror in the morning, you know what you use it for? You use it for dumb stuff. You go to the mirror, especially if you've got the big mirror in your living room or where you getting dressed at. You put all this stuff on, you looking at it and you say to yourself, oh, I don't like this. It's not that you don't like this. You don't think the people at work is going to like it. You don't think the place that you're going to is going to like it, the wedding, the party, whatever. You don't think it's not even about you no more. See you using the mirror in the wrong way. You supposed to be using the mirror to empower yourself and have real conversations with yourself and really look at who you truly are. But you don't use the mirror for that. You use the mirror for vanity. Use the mirror to keep pushing yourself back. When you going to use the mirror to lift yourself up? When you going to use the mirror to get forward? When you going to stop being a scaredy cat? When you going to grow up, guess what? Time is not on your side one day you better realize that. Take advantage of the mirror.
Mel Robbins (00:31:35):
How do I do that? I really mean this. I don't mean this like a cliche question because being honest with yourself can be a very difficult thing to do.
Wallo (00:31:46):
Yeah,
Mel Robbins (00:31:47):
So many people sit in the wrong relationship for years. They stay in a job that makes 'em miserable. They keep making choices that are the easier choice now, but it makes your life harder. Whether that's drinking too much or spending money that you don't have or spending time with people that really aren't your people and bring you down. How do you have that moment of honesty? Because it didn't happen immediately for you. There was so much shit that went down in your life and so much pain that you had to experience to get to a point where you're like, I'm just done with this shit. I got to this unhappy place by being someone I'm not and I need to change. So how can I use the mirror? Not for vanity, but to truly cause that kind of moment of truth that you need to have in order to change your life for the better.
Wallo (00:32:45):
Mel, look at me. I'm talking to you personally.
Mel Robbins (00:32:48):
Okay?
Wallo (00:32:49):
You know how you say let them? Fuck them.
Mel Robbins (00:32:52):
Okay?
Wallo (00:32:53):
You got to
Mel Robbins (00:32:53):
Fuck them.
Wallo (00:32:54):
You got to be violent with it. And when I say violent in the inside, this violence got to take place not to anybody else, but you got to be ruthless within to say, you know what? I'm tired of you taking advantage of me. I'm tired of you being in my life. A lot of people is out here sleeping with the enemy. Their biggest hater is somebody that's laying next to 'em. Their biggest hat is one of their friends. Their biggest hat is one of their parents. Their biggest hater is one of the siblings. You got to be violent about it. Let them fuck them, fuck them. Say it, Mel,
Mel Robbins (00:33:28):
Fuck them.
Wallo (00:33:29):
Say it loud and Mel,
Mel Robbins (00:33:30):
Fuck them.
Wallo (00:33:31):
Fuck on the count of three we're going to say it together. 1, 2, 3. Fuck them. You got to be like that. We not going to be here forever, Mel. We got to leave. And until you embrace the reality that you got to leave, you are going to keep catering to somebody else for their benefit. Mel, you got it all. You got money, you got this, you got that. But somewhere in your life, you got to cut that fucking button on Mel. Even Mel got to do that. Melly, Mel, come on, Melly Mel.
Mel Robbins (00:34:03):
That's what my friends call me in high school. Now we're talking.
Wallo (00:34:06):
You got to be able to even you.
Mel Robbins (00:34:08):
Yes, there's lots of actually, the more you actually say it, the more successful and for you become because you realize you have been a prisoner to other people's opinions. You've been a prisoner to making things easier for everybody else. You've been a prisoner to the easy decisions. You didn't want to make the hard one. And that freedom comes when you are able to truly choose the harder path. Be honest with yourself first. That shit's not working and the main thing that's not working is you and the decisions that you're making
Wallo (00:34:44):
And the bottom.
Mel Robbins (00:34:45):
And stop blaming everybody else. That's the other thing.
Wallo (00:34:48):
The bottom line is you got to really do the big thing and you got to say fuck them because it can't be if you keep, this is what it is. You keep negotiating with yourself and Rene, go, Stacey with yourself. You are supposed to cut 'em off. Two years ago they been told you that they do not deal with you. They do not support you. They do not value you.
Mel Robbins (00:35:13):
What's even more interesting, what's even more interesting about the swallow and why this is so important is that nine times out of 10, the fuck them that you have to say is really more about your own resistance and bullshit that you're making up in your mind about what you think other people are going to think. If you do the thing, it's even like before, it's one thing if somebody treats you poorly. That's pretty obvious when it's happening, but you treat yourself so poorly because let's say you want to start a YouTube channel or you want to go into real estate or you want to go back to nursing school, most people hold themselves back, not because of what other people are actually saying, but because of what you are saying to yourself. Well, I can't go into real estate because my friend will think I copied them.
Wallo (00:36:03):
Lemme tell you something. The reality is don't nobody give a fuck about what you doing. Don't nobody really, nobody gives a fuck. Don't everybody keep thinking that they're so important that every, oh, nobody gives a fuck about what you're doing. They don't care as much as you think they care. A lot of stuff is a mind game. A lot of this shit be mind and we be battling in our mind and we be like, hold up. I got to go this way because they going to say this. I got to do this because they going to say this. I got to wear this because they're going to say this, I got man, fuck what they think. At the end of the day, you got to be willing to have people mad at you. But that's why you got to say yes to you and no to them. Yes, the discipline of saying no and the freedom that follows, get that book. But listen, at the end of the day, yeah, you got to get my book. It's coming. Listen, at the end of the day, that's why I created yes to you because it's like everybody's saying, we live in this world where it's dope. If you say yes, you are the hero. If you say no, you create a victim.
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We live in this manipulative world today. Everybody is using words. I I'm a victim. This ain't go right. This ain't go right. Listen, we all play a part. If you fuck me over today, Mel and I allow you to fuck me over. I like being fucked over. That's it. That's dual accountability, right? I got to be we both accountable, right? You said, fuck me, you don't.
Mel Robbins (00:37:32):
Well I think if it happens once, that's it happens a second time.
Wallo (00:37:36):
It always happens a second time because people keep holding on to yesterday, tomorrow is going to be better than yesterday when you say yes to you and no to them. But if not, you're going to keep reliving it. It always happened a second time.
Mel Robbins (00:37:50):
Well, that's the test. That's the universe and God seeing if you're paying attention.
Wallo (00:37:55):
It always happened a third time. People is too comfortable with being comfortable. You got to be uncomfortable. And really the win out here, you got to listen. All the winners that we see, nobody see them up all night doing research. Nobody see him in the gym working out, shooting a thousand shots in the gym. Nobody see, it's uncomfortable. Your body hurt, you ache, you tired, you sweating. That's what life is about. But as long as you keep saying yes to them, you saying no to you.
Mel Robbins (00:38:28):
I want to ask you a question. I feel like people change because of one of two reasons. One is pain. That's always the source for me. And the second is clarity. But clarity often comes from these deep moments of pain. When you were about to be released from prison after being in prison for two decades, you had this video where you said that you had a thousand dollars saved up from the various jobs you worked in prison from money that your family sent you, and you were so clear about what you were going to do when you got released. Can you share that? Because I want to unpack the power of that intention and the power of being clear because I feel like one of the things that really gets in people's way is they're not even clear about what they want. And you are so clear that I could tell in the video, I'm like, this guy's going to do this. So tell that story and then tell me about the power of being clear about who you are and what you're out to do.
Wallo (00:39:39):
See, when I came home from prison, number one, the first day it was time for me to get out. I was scared.
Mel Robbins (00:39:52):
You were scared?
Wallo (00:39:54):
The scariest day of prison was the day that they let me go. And I'm going to tell you why before I get to where I'm going, because I never was who I told my family that I was ready to be. I never was that person before. The person that I said I became, there was no temptation to show that I was that person. I was that person of the mind. But I wasn't that person off of lived experience action yet.
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So I was scared walking out. I'm like, wow, I got to deal with temptation. Once I got out there, smelled the air breathing. Oh man. When I did that video, I said in nanny middle room, shout out to nanny. When I put that money on the bed, it seemed like yesterday when I did that video, I wasn't out of prison that many days. I was so clear in knowing if you ever seen that video, you know what I'm talking about. She might put it in here. If you ever seen that video, you could see it. I knew I spoke with conviction and I'm clear about everything because you ready to know why I was so clear, Mel?
Mel Robbins (00:40:56):
Yes I am.
Wallo (00:40:57):
Who the fuck going to stop me? Ain't nobody worrying about me. Ain't nobody worrying about you. Nobody is going to get in your fucking, don't nobody care who is going to stop you from materializing your dreams. And guess what? And guess what? Mel tell me. Americans be Tegan playing games or what they got. I said, I'm going to destroy him out here. They're out here playing fucking games. They don't even know where they live at. I said, I'm going to destroy him like I'm an immigrant. I just got here. I'm going to destroy him. Nobody is going to stop me. Do you know how easy it is to set a business? Do you know how easy it is to get a trademark? Do you know how easy it is to do these things?
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Do you know how easy it's to open up a bank account? Do you know how easy it's to get a passport? Do you know how easy it is to get a real idea? You how easy that is? Nobody block you from doing them. So you mean to tell me, hold up. I could go on one of these sites and I could set up my whole business. I could just walk in the bank with two pieces of paper and say here in my ID and they could open up an account. I get a card, I get a miracle. I could go on social media and promote my products for free.
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I'm sure somebody's going to stop me. I'm sure somebody's going to say, no, the fuck you're not Wallo. You can't come on from prison and start. Who is going? Don't nobody care. Can't nobody stop me. Nobody is going to get in your fucking way.
Wallo (00:42:28):
Can you please tell that to the person listening? Nobody is going to get in your fucking way but you. Because what happened is this, I be, you'll be going to do your thing, right? You'll be going to do your thing. And this what happened? You jumped right in front of yourself and say, Uhuh, you ain't going nowhere. You ain't going to be great. Nah, you can't do it. You are your biggest fucking hater. You always talk yourself out of ideas. Soon as you say, here it is. I put the idea together, are ready to do it. No, you're not. Then you sit back down.
Mel Robbins (00:42:57):
I'm sorry. It's so fucking true.
Wallo (00:42:59):
You sit back down. You do all this research, you got listen, we walking around with computers in our pockets. When I grew up, I didn't know nobody in the neighborhood that had a fucking computer. Man. You only see that when you go downtown and you go into one of them buildings and the computer was big as this table back then. You walking around with a computer in your pocket. You mean to tell me you can ask a phone anything? Back in the day, we had to go to the library to figure out something and some books that we first, we had to find a book of the information we was looking for and hope they told us what we was looking for. Nobody is going to stop you but you. Now, let me ask you a question. When is you going stop being the biggest enemy in your life? You're your biggest enemy. Nobody cares. Nobody's going stop you. So what? They're going to talk about you. So what? They're going to laugh at you. What does that mean? Haters is your marketing team. Let them work. Haters is your marketing team. Let them work. They tell people about you. You know how many haters that get you followers from laughing at you or sending your stuff around to they friends? Look at this clown. Look at this. They did that to me. They laughed at me. So what? They was laughing at me. I was different. I was laughing at them because they all the same.
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What makes you cool? Look at what's going on. The smart fearless people is out here destroying shit. The people that say, I'm going to sit here. I care nothing. I'm going to stay on this. I'm going to build my app. They running stuff. When you going to start running your life, you don't even run your life.
Mel Robbins (00:44:41):
You know what came to mind as you were saying that is that here you are free and you're building wealth and you're doing your thing easy and you are just doing your thing. And the people who are in prison are the ones that are calling you names and hating on you, but the haters are helping you build your wealth.
Wallo (00:45:02):
But listen, you know what
Mel Robbins (00:45:03):
You know I'm saying in the prison of their mind.
Wallo (00:45:05):
Yes,
Mel Robbins (00:45:05):
Because think about how incarcerated you are if you spend any of your time and energy tearing people down online, when you could take that time and energy and actually put it into educating yourself or building something that you want and getting out of your own way.
Mel Robbins (00:45:22):
You talk a lot about energy, how important it's to protect it. Let's talk about energy.
Wallo (00:45:29):
Energy is very important, right? You got different levels of energy. You got positive energy. You got negative energy. Then you just got floating energy. Energy that you don't know what the fuck's going on. You don't know what you want to deal with energy.
Mel Robbins (00:45:45):
I think there's a lot of people with that.
Wallo (00:45:47):
Yeah, yeah. But because a lot of times the reality is it's sad. And the sad truth is some people just don't got the energy to change.
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Change is uncomfortable because you got to cut that switch on. You got to be willing to be talked about. I did a post and I said on the post, I said, strangers make you rich. Strangers make you rich. Stop worrying about the people that you know. Stop worrying about the people you went to school with. Stop worrying about the people that you went to college with. Strangers make you rich. Strangers made by a Jovi bitch. It made guns and roses. R Michael Jackson, rich Michael Jordan. Just think of only people. That was Michael Jordan fans was the 15, 20 people with 30 people, a hundred people. We know that's not enough. Stop worrying about, oh, they don't support me. They're not worth me. Oh, man, shut. Shut up. Strangers make you rich when you go to Mel. Shell. People you never knew. They didn't go to college with you, Mel.
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They don't know you. They wasn't your childhood friends. No, nope. No, no, no, no, no. Everybody that Mel was talking about, let them them people that don't matter. The people that support it and understand the mindset shift. They matter.
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We spend too much time worrying about the people that's not supporting or the people that's not there that we forget to say. I want to give a shout out right now. I want Melly Mel show to everybody that ever supported Wallo 2 67. I'm talking about everybody that repost me that liked it. Even the people that talk bad about me went the end of the day. If you talking about wealth, you talking, you got to have that right energy and you got to have the energy. You got to have the energy to put yourself in position before you get in position. I was a millionaire before I was a millionaire. Let me tell you something.
Mel Robbins (00:47:46):
What does that mean? You were a millionaire before you were a millionaire.
Wallo (00:47:49):
I was a millionaire before I was a millionaire and I was preparing for my bank account. I was preparing for everything to come because let me tell you something. Now I'm living in Philadelphia. Tell me. I'm living in nanny middle room, right? So I'm living in the middle room. I used to get on the subway. I had my backpack on, or sometime I walked from Broing, Allegheny all the way to Downtown Center City, Philadelphia, whatever. It depends on. I got my earphones on. I'm listening to Sanford and I'm jamming. I'm singing to myself. I'm laughing. People thought I was crazy. I used to dance all through the streets. Sometimes I throw Bruce string, Bruce Springsteen on streets of Philadelphia. Come on. He's singing. I'm walking through the streets. I feel like I'm in the movie, but I'm feeling like Bruce. I'm like Bruce, I'm literal. Yeah, the boss is singing to me. He's singing. He's my listen. You know how every time I come out the house, sometimes a couple times a week, I had that in the streets of Philadelphia playing by the boss, and I'm like, yeah, he's doing my dean music. It's like I come out, you're not like superhero. It's like streets.
Mel Robbins (00:48:46):
Yes. Everyone needs to walk on
Wallo (00:48:47):
Man walking. I'm like, yeah. So I go downtown, right? And I'm telling you, you got to be bold. I was cocky with my imagination and I'm going to tell you about how me going to prison from 17 to 37 at four to five, my imagination. So I came back out with imagination like I was 17. But let me tell you about my imagination. I used to go downtown Philadelphia, the four seasons, one of the best hotels in the city. I go down there, I go to the bar, just give me a hot tea in the Togo, cut with lemon honey. Because I'm like, it's on the top floor. I could overlook the city. I'm the man right now. You got to know you the man, and you got to listen. You got to know that you, him. You got to know that you her before you become there, before you arrive.
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So I go there, get my hot tea right after there I leave. I go see one of these luxury condos downtown. I'll go look at, because once I realized that, hold up, I got to go check out apartment luxury condo. I could go drive, test, drive a car, and I ain't going to have no money in my account like that. Oh, it's on. So I'm just preparing myself for the lifestyle and I'm going to live. I'm preparing. So I go in there and I'll never forget, I put my backpack down. I go in the condo lady. Yeah, I'll be sitting back. So what do you think I should put here? Should I put my painting on the wall? Should I put my art here? Should I put the couch there? They're like, yeah. See what I would do is, and I'm just like, yeah, and I'm taking my time. I'm not in no rush because I'm filling it in.
Mel Robbins (00:50:12):
Yes.
Wallo (00:50:12):
I'm like, I would like to see the, lemme see the rooftop go on the rooftop. Smell of air overlook the city's nice. Y'all got a jacuzzi in there? Pool? Okay, let me check that out. Oh yeah, lead there. I go to the dealership. MW Benz, whatever. I'd be like Test drive. Yeah, yeah. Lemme test drive that. I'm talking about, I want to test, drive the most expensive car, get in that drone, drive seatbelt on, hook the Bluetooth up. I need to play my music, throw my theme music on, coming through window, down, hand hanging. I'm like, it's nice. I get used to this. Like, what you thinking about it? I said, I'm thinking, man, lemme go a couple more blocks. They on their phone. They don't even care. I'm just prepping. I'm getting ready, right? I'm getting ready for the life. That's waiting, that's coming. You got to be ready for the life. You got to live inside the life that you want before you get the life, and you got to live inside it right here. See what happened with me that was different between people out here. When I went to prison 17 to 37, my imagination was fortified. I didn't have to deal with the real life issues that tear you down and beat down your imagination. Having getting married, divorce, heartbreak, getting lost, losing the job. So when I came out, I believe I could fly.
Mel Robbins (00:51:24):
Well, I also want to unpack one other thing that you were doing, which I think is really important because it's available to anybody. You were doing it in a prison for 20 years, which is when you were fortifying your imagination and it began with the story of Anthony Bourdain.
Wallo (00:51:40):
Yes.
Mel Robbins (00:51:41):
You allowed yourself to imagine a world where you were traveling to all those places. You weren't just a person watching Anthony Bourdain doing it. You in your imagination taught yourself how to live that before you did. And in imagining it, visualizing yourself there, I believe you were training your mind to believe that it was possible for you because your mind doesn't know the difference between what's actually real versus the things that you allow yourself to imagine. And what's so beautiful about the way you just described, I went up to the Four Seasons. I ordered my tea like Anthony Bourdain.
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I enjoyed it. I smelled it. You're now pulling in your five senses, which then make your brain imprint on all of this experience. And now your brain is like, yes, this is where I belong. I do belong at the Four Seasons having a cup of tea. I do belong in an apartment that feels like this. And that is an example. And the story's amazing, like the detail of the arm hanging out the window down and the themes, no kidding you work, but that is actually how you do it. You invoke your senses and you don't just watch what people are doing. You step into the scene and you've become a master at that because you did do what you said you were going to do in that video. You did turn the thousand dollars in cash into millions.
Wallo (00:53:17):
I turned it up.
Mel Robbins (00:53:18):
Yes. So what happened after doing all that and preparing for it? How else did you prepare yourself?
Wallo (00:53:25):
See, I used to always just, when I walked the streets of Philadelphia, I was doing these videos right when I first got out, I used to do these marketing videos. I felt as though I was a marketer. I felt as though I was an ad agency by myself. So I would go to people business, I'd be like, damn, I go to Mel's steak shop. I'd be like, Mel, how you doing? She'd be like, Hey, what's going on? I'd be like my name, I want to do a commercial for you. You're like, what type of commercial you want to do? Well, Mel, you got the steak shop. You know what I mean? I want to just let people know about your steak shop. She'd be like, what you mean? I'd be like, Mel, do you understand that's so many people living their everyday life that people 15 blocks away might don't even know you're here.
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What I need you to do, I need you to make a real nice steak, Mel, when you make this steak, I want it to be dripping the onions. I'm want it to look great and I want you to stand right by me and just only thing I'm going to give you, we going to do this minute video, but I'm going to give you to say something at the end, but I got you. And this is how it would go. What's up everybody on wall? Oh two seven. I'm right here at Mel Steaks. Let me tell you something. If you want to get a steak, I'm talking about Mel's is the place to eat the steak. I'm talking about this is a different type of steak. This steak right here. Hey, your tongue break dance. I'm talking about your tongue will be doing moves you didn't even know your tongue could do.
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This is the best steak in the city. I'm telling you, we got the peppers, they got the onions. You might don't like peppers and onions, so it won't be on there. Well, you want American cheese, you want whiz cheese. What type of cheese you want? I'm telling you, these steaks is a different type of steaks. You're going to tell somebody about these steaks. You're going to run home about these steaks. You might even go run into maritime after you eat the steak. This is the type of steak. Hey Mel, tell 'em what type of steaks you got. Tell 'em what you got going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Mel Robbins (00:54:59):
Yes.
Wallo (00:55:00):
So then I leave. Next week you'll call me and be like, Wallo, thank you so much. You can eat here at any time you want. I'm coming to do it free. See, I had to get my proof of concept. So I do a bunch of places free to get my proof of concept. And then what you do is somebody will call you, hit you on social media and they'd be like, yo, you might know I got a friend. He got a laundromat. He want to pay you, right? So I'm like, oh man. Because the first time that I really got paid for a commercial is when my cousin Gil called me. Gil called me. He's like, yo, man, somebody want to pay you $300. I said, man, I do them joints for free. He said, you did enough for free, man, what you talking about Gil? Like you did enough for free. They got $300. I'm like, damn. Yeah, you right. So I went and got it and then it started. I started charging, but whatever. But it was like I knew that people needed to advertise and I knew that everybody don't see everything. So I became that dude and I just filled my page up with examples. People don't understand. Whatever you doing, go get examples. I'm talking about some of the most valuable stuff you could do is free. When I did my first TED Talk, it was this girl named Nicole Pervy that I knew from Philadelphia, and she put me down with the guy named Jakori, right? Jakori Jakori. I don't want to say his name wrong. He be, we'll edit out, who cares? Yeah, whatever, but whatever.
Mel Robbins (00:56:15):
Fuck him. No, I'm just kidding.
Wallo (00:56:17):
Yeah, don't do that. So they was like, she called me out and at this time I'm charged with what's name. So they called me by the Ted x Atlanta. I'm like, Ted X, I don't even know who Ted is. I'm like, who the fuck is Ted? I don't know nobody named Theodore Ted. I don't know him. I know Theodore Roosevelt, but I don't know no Ted X or Ted Talk. I don't know none of that shit. I'm like, alright, bet. I said, alright. I said, what y'all want? I said, how much they charge, how much they paying me? They budget. I started asking, I'm getting more professional now.
Mel Robbins (00:56:43):
Yes, of course I
Wallo (00:56:44):
Got my one sheet. I got everything right. Pay me 50,000 here, pay for my flight. I'm getting all this stuff right? So what happened is she was like, no wa, they ain't paying you nothing, but what he can do is he gets your hotel. So I'm like, I'm Nicole, you sure I should do it? She's like, Wallo, I'm telling you this is big. A lot of people, I don't know nothing about Ted, right? So I go down there and this was for free.
Wallo (00:57:09):
And the Ted talk that I did, I got two Ted talks I got, I maybe got three. I got TEDxs I I forgive my brother's killer. That was my first Ted Talk. I spoke about me forgiving my brother's killer and then the second one was fuck it button and I forget it through. But when I went down there and I did that, that was one of the most powerful things that I did. I forgive my brother's killer because to this day it wasn't about the money I made. The impact was more powerful than the money I made from people booking me and all that. Because I had people in airports, restaurants, they get up and say, man, I really needed to see that video.
Mel Robbins (00:57:51):
Talk to me about forgiveness. How did you forgive the person who killed your brother?
Wallo (00:57:56):
Because it was an unbelievable pain that somebody shot My brother, he ran down the street, my grandma and nanny opened the door. He fell in nanny arms. She was like, what happened? He died in nanny arms in the childhood house we grew up at in the doorway. It was so painful when it happened because I'm in a cell and I'm watching it on the news. I'm watching somebody was shot because I'm outside a Phil the prison, and I'm like, that look like nanny house. And I'm like, damn. A couple of days later, my mom bring his kids up, my niece and my nephew, and when I seen them and I seen the energy that they had as kids and just so excited to see me and just so I'm like, damn, so much going through my mind. I'm like, and when I say forgive, I mean be willing to live for somebody in the right way and utilize this as motivation to get up to make sure that these babies is alright to make sure my mommy, because he was the oldest, it was him and me. I was second. So I'm like, I got a big now. I think the greatest thing that I was be able to do based off of my environment, I come from a environment where revenge is God, get back is God. But I said to myself, you're not going to be my God. My God is a different God and my God forgive. One thing that I realized is that everybody want forgiveness, but who is willing to forgive?
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And it wasn't about no ego or none of that. I got to always think of about logic as I got older and I'm like, what is the logical what I'm going to do? Go out there and try to do something to somebody and somebody do something to me and they lose me or they lose them and I'm back. So was the eye. The whole thing was just to sit back and I had time, I still had years ago in prison where I was like, I got to figure out a way to turn the cycle of violence around in my community and show by example of what forgiveness look like and what living for somebody look like. Because if the cycle of crime, the cycle of murder is too normalized where I come from, but it's normalized based off of ego where I come from, a lot of people die based off of ego, based off of words, based off of emotions. And I said I didn't want that to be me and I wanted to be example. It wasn't a natural thought of want to be example for other people, but I was just like, I got to be example to my family and I got to be example to these kids that they got a man that they could count on. Because my brother wasn't able to fulfill that because his life was taken. So it was like that there had me more like okay, and I had to share that and was so funny. He said, you only got 18 minutes. I'm like, all right, cool. Because nobody else is going to share that I didn't want to. Once I seen what a TEDx is, I said, oh man, I got this.
Mel Robbins (01:01:16):
How do you forgive though?
Wallo (01:01:17):
You forgive
Mel Robbins (01:01:17):
How did you actually get to the point where you no longer carry that anger with you that you're freed from it? What does forgiveness even mean to you?
Wallo (01:01:31):
Forgiveness to me personally. If... my condolence to anybody out there that lost somebody, anybody out there, if you lost somebody through violence, my condolence to you and I can only, I know the feeling so I know what you go through. For me personally, forgiveness helped me breathe because I wanted to celebrate my brother. I celebrate my brother by living for him, being happy and knowing who he was and having the memory of him and not holding on to this dark part of this pain or this anger of the person that did something to my brother. So that was when I got there that my back was straight. I didn't have to, I was able to breathe. It was like, like I'm not carrying that around with me. It wasn't that. It takes a lot of energy to carry anger around for somebody to wear as though the anger can supersede the love and the memories that you have for your loved ones because it's so much to carry you carrying and it could be unbearable. So now you're in a way, and I'm not saying that anybody have to choose this route, but in a way you're neglecting the memories, preserving the memories and just the life of your family member that was lost. So it was real. It just is a lot. But I was willing to get to that part of my life and that was one of the most therapeutic things I ever did.
Mel Robbins (01:03:08):
Did you ever tell the person that killed your brother that you forgive him?
Wallo (01:03:11):
No. He, out there he know it never was like to, it wasn't about him. It was about my family and me. You see what I'm saying?
Mel Robbins (01:03:20):
Yeah, I do.
Wallo (01:03:22):
It wasn't even about that. But if I seen him, I'd say that it wouldn't even be nothing.
Mel Robbins (01:03:28):
Do you want to tell him?
Wallo (01:03:40):
I don't know you we never met, but Steven Keith Peeples, that's my brother. And I'm not here to judge you. I don't know the circumstances. I don't know what took place. I don't know what transpired at night on Lippencot Street. I don't really know. And I'm not even here to judge you. I'm not here to try to, I don't know what happened. I don't know why it happened. I wish it didn't happen. But I know a decision was made by you and you took away somebody like you took away somebody that was a good dude as we know, you took away a brother, a father, a son, a grandson, a cousin, a friend, a neighbor. You took away somebody that I find myself talking to or planning to talk to on my days before I remember that he ain't here no more, right? Maymay, Tyrena, Mukson. They can't talk to their dad. My mom can't talk to us. Nanny can't talk to his son, his grandson. So I wish it didn't happen, but it happened. But let me tell you something. I don't know what you could learn or how, but I heard you learn from this experience and I hope you never do it again. I'm not God, I can't judge you and I just wish it didn't happen, but it happened. But know that I don't feel no type of way to want to do nothing or harm to you or want something done to you or that's not my job. I'm not the decision maker. God is. I don't make no decisions. But I just want to let you know if you looking at this, if you didn't see, but I'm pretty sure you seen it. I talk about it so much. I forgive you man, and I don't forgive you just to say it. I'll forgive you in a way where it's dope. That was the greatest thing that I did personally for me and for my family because you took Steve away from me, from us, but you ,motivated the mother the fuck out of me to be something that I never even knew that I can be. So it's a gift and a curse in this whole situation. But I would rather have Steve here right now with me and be doing whatever I'm doing. But I just want to say that I forgive you and I hope wherever you at in life, you ain't do this again and you learn from it.
Mel Robbins (01:06:44):
What's so beautiful about. Your brother sounds like an amazing guy,
Wallo (01:06:58):
Man. He was fucking crazy, man. Steve,
Mel Robbins (01:07:01):
The best people are.
Wallo (01:07:03):
Steve, Steve. Steve didn't give a fuck. And that's why I got it from, he was this little short guy, but he had the biggest heart and he was just like, this dude was funny. He was crazy. He was just like, there's things he would say in the house, the things he would say to people he really didn't give a fuck. And I'm talking about in a way where though he just lived.
Mel Robbins (01:07:24):
Well, here's what I got from what I just experienced with you, that when you forgive, you actually create the space for your brother to live on in you. And so his life gets bigger. And when you hold on to something horrible like that and you allow the hate and the darkness to take hold, you not only shrink the life of the person that you lost, but you also shrink your own life. And you could feel it. You could feel both the pain that you feel and the love that you have, but you could also feel the freedom. So thank you, thank you.
Mel Robbins (01:08:09):
If the person who's been with us takes one thing from your remarkable life and all of the wisdom and truth that you've shared today, and they take one action, what do you think the most important thing for them to do is?
Wallo (01:08:30):
Let me see that book. Yes to you and no to them. You see where you at this you this, you up here, you see where they at? The discipline of saying no and the freedom that follows yes to you. We live in this world where it's though everybody is looking for somebody to come and save them. Everybody's looking for a reason to be upset with somebody when they don't get their way. It's not perfect, but for so long you continuously choose others and you say yes to others, but you say no to you. When did you going to start saying yes to you and no to them? It's not about them no more. It is about you. You got to start choosing you and letting them go in order to grow, in order to glow, in order to go. That's what this is about. It's not about when you think about life, it's not even about trying to appease nobody no more. How old is we, man? We living in a world. Where's though even a person of 18 or 19, they know we got too much information.
(01:09:52):
You know better listen. Yes to you. No to them. That's it. The people that be in your life, you ever notice how your mom say no, but you can deal with it. The people that really love you can deal with the people that really love you can deal with it. Your mom and dad been telling you no. And you can deal the people that really love you, the people that really deal with you, the people that really value you, they cool with it. They ain't got no problem with it. They don't have no problem with it. The people that really love you is going to stay. And the people that don't is going go. You don't want them in your life anyway. You already know why they was there. So what are we talking about? What is we really talking about? You got to think about that. What is we talking about? And another thing, fuck them. Fuck them. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck them. Capital F what we talking about? That's all she said. Let me tell you something. Everybody out there, come here you everybody home that's watching this Melly, Mel universe. Everybody out there, I'm going to tell y'all secret Mel really said fuck them. Fuck them. That's what Mel said.
Mel Robbins (01:11:07):
And you also said, fuck me because I'm the one in my own way. Fuck me.
Wallo (01:11:11):
Yeah, Mel. Fuck you Mel. You in your own way, Mel.
Mel Robbins (01:11:15):
That's right.
Wallo (01:11:16):
You got to say that a little louder. Fuck me, Mel. Could you say it louder?
Mel Robbins (01:11:19):
Fuck me, Mel.
Wallo (01:11:20):
Louder.
Mel Robbins (01:11:20):
Fuck me, Mel,
Wallo (01:11:21):
Mel, Mel.
Mel Robbins (01:11:22):
I'm in my own fucking way all the time,
Wallo (01:11:24):
Mel, your own fucking way.
Mel Robbins (01:11:26):
Wallo 267 Goddammit. I'm always in my fucking way.
Wallo (01:11:28):
She always listen Mel, y'all looking at Mel, she got all this shit going on and she walking on stage. She like whole time she backstage overthinking is my hair. Shut up, Mel. Stay not worrying about your hair. Fuck you talking me? Your glasses is perfect. She backed in. Oh my God. Is this right, Mel? Let it go. Let the shit go. Fuck 'em. We talking. What be doing, Mel, you worry about the wrong shit, Mel. You creating problems for yourself, Mel. And that's the whole thing. You got to say yes to you. No to them, man, fuck man. Stop worrying. Listen. Stop worrying about them and worrying about you Start loving. You start. Matter of fact, before you love you, you got to start liking you. Then you got to start loving you. Then you got to know, listen, I ain't got it all figured out, but I'm going to figure it out one day. And that's enough.
Mel Robbins (01:12:20):
And if we keep following and listening to you, we're going to figure it out faster.
Wallo (01:12:24):
Well listen, man, listen. Listen, definitely listen. But I'm going to say something to the people.
Mel Robbins (01:12:28):
Yeah.
Wallo (01:12:29):
And this is from my chest. I don't know where you are right now, but if you living in America, I just want to say something very important to you, very important. Don't let nobody turn you into somebody that you're not. Don't let no ignorance, don't let no hatred, don't let nobody idea that you're less than, that you're not worthy, that you're not special. Start interfering with your thought process and start having you doubting who you are. You're special. Everybody on this planet was made different. Everybody is a different person, different. It's cool to have different outlooks on like, and let me tell you something, it is cool that we ain't got to agree, but one thing, we need each other in order for this world to work and for it to be a better place. No matter your color, no matter your sexual identity, no matter where you come, what's important is when humans connect, great shit happen all the time. We're stronger together. We always got to continue to be an example for the world. The way we be, example is be great, come together and do great things. A lot of times some people might not see that, but we got to think above. We got to move above. We got to live above the stuff that divide us.
Mel Robbins (01:13:54):
Wallo 267, when they say, don't ever meet the people that you admire. Don't meet your heroes. They weren't talking about you because you are extraordinary. I have been so excited to meet you. I am so proud of you and I'm so grateful that you're in the world doing what you're doing. Thank you. So keep doing it. Please.
Wallo (01:14:15):
Thank you. I appreciate you for having me. Mel,
Mel Robbins (01:14:18):
Let me ask you, so what are your parting words?
Wallo (01:14:20):
My parting words is I thought I'd said a lot of parting words, but the parting words is new book coming out. Mel Rob, right? We going to shorten her name, the new book, her name going to be Melly, Mel Wallo, 2, 6, 7, fuck em. The new book coming out. The tour is coming all around the world. It's going to be crazy. The middle finger is going to be the T-shirt and the hat. You got to choose you over Tuesday. It is going to be crazy, Mel. You just got to lip. Listen. We taking Mel back to college days when she was Mel. Mel, we going to show you the other side of the game. That's the other side of the game. We whiling out. We not. Come on, man. That's what we doing. Be on the lookout, man.
Mel Robbins (01:15:00):
Oh my God. I love you,
Wallo (01:15:02):
Man. I love you too, Mel. Mel, we only got one shot. We living once. Let's live, man.
Mel Robbins (01:15:07):
Let's live.
Wallo (01:15:08):
Come on, man. You did it. Listen, do your thing, man. Have fun. Go to a party, man. Go dance at some people party. You don't know. Go crash a wedding and do something. Fuck it. Like, damn, man. We not going to be here forever. Fuck is we doing, Mel?
Mel Robbins (01:15:22):
Shit, wasting time. That's what we're doing. But not no more.
Wallo (01:15:25):
Not me. Shit. We out of here.
Mel Robbins (01:15:28):
Oh my God, we're out of here. I cannot wait to see what you do with this conversation and the truth that you are the one that's in your own way, the truth that you are going to. What are we doing? Why are you worried about what Susie and accounting says? Sorry, Susie. Why are you worried about what your friends from high school? Stop. Let yourself live. Let yourself be the person that you know are. There is nothing holding you back except for you. And if Wallow can do this from a prison cell, you can do this from wherever you are right now and know that Wallo and I are going to be here every step of the way to encourage you to keep moving forward, to keep saying yes to yourself. And I want to say thank you. Thank you for spending time listening to this.
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Thank you for sharing this with everybody that you know. It is such an important conversation. It's such an important amount of truth for you to accept in your life and to apply to your life. But in case no one else tells you this today, I wanted to be sure to tell you as your friend that I love you and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to create a better life. And if you don't believe that now after listening to Wallow, I'm tell you what, go back and listen again. Alrighty, I'll be waiting for you in the very next episode. I will welcome you in the moment you hit play. I'll see you there. And thank you for being here with me on YouTube. This was insane. I bet you're going to go back and watch this one again. Also, make sure you share this.
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Key takeaways
You waste your life when you let other people’s opinions dictate your peace; stop making problems for yourself by giving power to words that aren’t yours.
Every move you make should be about securing the future for family you’ll never meet—you work today to strengthen the legacy of your last name.
You can’t bring your money, cars, or status to the grave; all that matters is what your dash between birth and death stands for.
You’ll never be free until you cut on that “fuck it” button and stop caring about what they think, because caskets don’t have bunk beds.
You became who you are because you wanted to be accepted; stop betraying yourself to fit a crowd that doesn’t even accept themselves.
Guests Appearing in this Episode
Wallace Peeples, also known as Wallo267
Wallo is the co-host of the massively popular podcast Million Dollaz Worth of Game, a viral motivational speaker with 7 million followers, a bestselling author of 2 books, and the Chief Marketing Officer of REFORM Alliance, the criminal justice reform nonprofit founded by Jay-Z and others. And here’s the part that is a testament to Wallo's unbreakable mindset:
He did all of that after serving 25 years in prison. Wallo turns pain into purpose and speaks truth that wakes people up.
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Armed with Good Intentions
Wallo’s reflection and newfound philosophy—which he now shares with you—informed the new trajectory of his life. Upon his release, Wallo moved back to Philly and committed himself to entrepreneurialism. His viral motivational content gained him over sixty-thousand Instagram followers on his first day of freedom. This would prove to only be the start of his continuously growing career utilizing his social influence as a motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and cultural changemaker.
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Million Dollaz Worth Of Game
The Million Dollaz Worth of Game show, a weekly podcast with rapper/actor @GillieDaKing and social media influencer and disruptor @Wallo267 - The perfect blend of discussing music, real life issues, personal experiences, honest advice and comedy
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